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Kym's avatar

Great article. I listened to that podcast—it was extremely interesting and horrifying; a peek directly into the brain of one of the unelected mandarins who has destroyed our country and is proud of it.

The most illuminating bit you have highlighted but not mentioned the full conversation:

Audience member: would Australians have voted for [mass immigration]?

Rivzi: No

(Pause)

(Laughter)

Rivzi: luckily they were distracted by Tampa!

(Raucous laughter)

Walker: it was regulatory!

Rivzi: yes regulatory!

(More laughter)

Says it all really.

I wonder how Howard allowed himself to be conned by this charlatan. And then how Howard and every other politician got behind it? Why?

The point you make—that we could have been Norway—is the key. Why did we choose to be a mass immigration nothing country which is importing (!!!) gas despite being one of worlds biggest exporters when we could have chosen the Scandinavian model??

Really great article.

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Great article. Thanks for drawing attention to this. I listened to the interview was shocked by Rizvi's frankness in revealing that this program which enjoys ironclad bipartisan support is in fact a creation of bureaucrats who view it as their right to simultaneously manage Australians as if we were cattle while manipulating politicians to avoid being forced to deal with difficult problems.

I was also horrified by Rizvi's apparent attitude that is is the right of bureaucrats rather than elected representatives to shape the creation and enforcement of politically significant policies. I found his suggestion to give a free pass to the ~80K over stayers particularly galling. He seems to think that it's simultaneously his right to push new policies on politicians, and then ignore policies that he finds inconvenient!

I was disappointed with the interviewer. I think he missed several opportunities to probe Rizvi and shed light on the origins of the big Australia policy. Rizvi says that the main reason for the policy was to slow the aging of the population to make it easier to adjust. An obvious follow-up question is "Since the migration policy was changed, what policies have been enacted to adjust to an aging population, and how successful have they been?". I think the answer to this will reveal that program was just a lazy way to delay the problem (recall that Rizvi finds even the deportation of overstayers too hard!)

Rizvi mentions that businesses would find it difficult to adjust to aging population. Was one of the goals of the policy to prevent the increase in the power of labour that would otherwise be caused by a declining workforce?

Rizvi says "The program was hard for many ministers, I might even say prime ministers, it was difficult for them to swallow". I think some digging here would have shown that the program was the brainchild of bureaucrats and forced on politicians.

Something I think you missed is the contempt that Rizvi and his interviewer have for any dissenting opinions, and the laziness with which they dismiss negative consequences of the program.

The interviewer claims that sentiment against migration policy stems from people "scapegoating" migrants due to high housing costs. And Rizvi replies with "they [students] have an impact near universities ... Working holiday makers have an impact on backpacker hostel accommodation, but they have very little impact in suburban Australia", and they go on to agree that because international students can't afford to buy homes, they couldn't possibly affect prices. They both seem to miss the aparments packed with working holidaymakers in Bondi, and the fact that students pushing up rents near the CBD push young professionals into the suburbs.

One is left with the impression that Rizvi is insulated from the consequences of his own policy. He don't live in Harris Park, Hurtsville, or one of the dismal new developments on the outside of Sydney. he isn't tens of thousands of dollars in debt for a degree whose value is being inflated away. He doesn't have family members who are struggling to find even an entry level job (when Sydney's supermarkets seem to be exclusively staffed by one ethnicity, and bartending job ads are posted in foreign languages). He doesn't have family working in areas like aged care whose wages have stagnated for years (notwithstanding the recent increase) because the sector is mostly staffed with immigrants who will gladly accept worse conditions than locals. He isn't paying through the nose for an education which is degraded by classmates who can barely speak the language (I would very much like to know if Rizvi accepted a stipend while working on his PhD). He hasn't noticed homeless Australians sleeping on Sydney's streets just metres from buildings devoted to housing foreign students.

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